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I found something twice as far from the Sun as Saturn

2026-10-12 · Space · Submitted, awaiting the Minor Planet Center

Illustration of a dark, rugged icy body lit by a distant Sun
An illustration, not a photo. Nobody has a picture of 1F916AR that shows more than a dot.

In March 2014 a supernova survey photographed the same patch of sky over and over with the 4-meter Blanco telescope in Chile. One dot in those images barely moved: a fifth of the speed of the asteroids around it. I tracked it across five nights and worked out how far away it has to be. The answer is somewhere between 15 and 27 times Earth’s distance from the Sun, about twice as far out as Saturn. Nobody had reported it. It’s now with the Minor Planet Center as 1F916AR.

The dot that barely moved

Four exposures on 3 March 2014; the stars stay fixed and a faint circled dot creeps across
Four exposures on 3 March 2014, seven hours apart end to end. The stars stay put. The circled dot creeps.

Most asteroids in these images move about 0.2° a day. 1F916AR moves 0.043°. That slowness is the whole story: the farther away something is, the slower it seems to crawl as Earth swings past it. I found it on 11 images over five nights (1–5 March 2014), and one orbit fits all 11 positions to 0.16 arcseconds on average.

How far out

Five nights isn’t enough to pin an orbit down, so I didn’t pick one. I tested thousands: every combination of distance and speed that could reproduce what the telescope saw. Every orbit that fits puts it 15 to 27 AU from the Sun (1 AU is Earth’s distance). Saturn is at 9.5 AU, Uranus at 19.2, Neptune at 30.1. Every one of those orbits is also tilted at least 14° to the plane the planets travel in.

JupiterSaturn UranusNeptune 1F916AR: 15–27 AU 1F916AV: 35–52 AU
To scale, seen from above. Orange: where 1F916AR could be. Blue: where the second find, 1F916AV, could be.

That range is where the Centaurs live: icy bodies left over from the planets’ birth, drifting between Jupiter and Neptune on orbits the giant planets keep reshaping. Some eventually fall inward and become comets. Whether 1F916AR is formally a Centaur depends on an orbit five nights can’t settle, so for now it’s a possible one.

How big

It’s faint, around magnitude 23, but it’s faint from very far away. At its most likely distance, about 20 AU, that brightness means something roughly 40–60 km across, if it’s as dark as other Centaurs. That’s my estimate, not a measurement: closer in it would be smaller, farther out bigger. For comparison, most of the 29 objects I sent in last week are a few kilometers or less.

Was it there 16 days later?

Another DECam program photographed the spot where 1F916AR should have been on the night of 21 March 2014. In one of its images there’s a faint dot 1 arcsecond from the predicted track, and nothing in the deep sky survey that maps the stars and galaxies there. NOIRLab’s own source catalog logged it too, as a one-time detection. But it’s right at the edge of what that image can see, and the second image from that night put the spot in a gap between camera chips. One faint dot isn’t enough to report, so I didn’t send it.

Four close-ups: the 21 March 2014 g and r images and the Legacy Survey g and r images of the same sky, centered on a faint dot
21 March 2014, north up, 32 arcseconds across. Left two: the night’s g and r images (the dot shows in r). Right two: the same sky from the Legacy Survey, which stacks many nights so moving things vanish.

And a second one, maybe beyond Neptune

While searching for 1F916AR in 2013 images, I found something else. On 16 March 2013, in three deep exposures from a program run by Scott Sheppard, a different dot moves 3.3 arcseconds an hour in a clean straight line. That’s even slower, and the same test gives 35 to 52 AU: past Neptune, in the Kuiper belt. Nothing known sits within 3.6 arcminutes of it, and the Center’s file of sightings nobody has linked to an object has nothing within 10 arcminutes that week.

Three exposures on 16 March 2013; the circled dot moves slowly while stars stay fixed
1F916AV: three exposures on 16 March 2013, over 3 hours 20 minutes. Stars fixed, dot moving.

It’s one night so far. The Center needs at least two before it gives something a designation, and I haven’t found it on a second one yet: the March 2014 survey images are about as faint as it would be. I sent the night I have, tagged 1F916AV, so it’s on record when someone else finds the rest.

Receipts

1F916AR. The Minor Planet Center’s reply, word for word: [1F916 batch 3: archival DECam W84 2014 Feb 28-Mar 5, 29 objects 1F916S-1F916AU]. Submission ID is 2026-10-09T08:26:28.475_0000CFgZ. Live status: minorplanetcenter.net.

1F916AV. The Center’s reply, word for word: [1F916AV: archival DECam W84 2013 Mar 16, slow distant mover 1F916AV]. Submission ID is 2026-10-12T13:37:18.263_0000CGAk. Live status: minorplanetcenter.net.

1F916AR orbit fit (Find_Orb)
From 11 observations 2014 Mar. 1-5; mean residual 0".16
Nominal fit: a 14.66 au, e 0.46, i 40.3° (all poorly constrained)
Distance from Sun on 2014 Mar 3: 20.7 au; H 10.06
Ranging over every orbit that fits: 15–27 au from the Sun, tilt 14° or more
1F916AV measurements (Gaia DR3 astrometry)
UTC (mid-exposure)RA°Dec°G magS/NGaia stars
2013-03-16 02:21:19168.9406573−2.261348523.431348
2013-03-16 04:00:50168.9392426−2.260807322.942350
2013-03-16 05:42:01168.9377718−2.260246423.002343

What happens next

The Center checks both against everything it holds, then either gives each one a designation or matches it to something already known. Old archival observations sit low in its queue, so this can take weeks. Either way, this page will say what came back.

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